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paul ryan voted for it, i believe. i'm confident after the election we will find a way -- >> chris: if you are so concerned about the middle class why not let the workers know they may be laid off. >> none of the employers want to send out the warren notices. why would you do that -- why would you assume -- >> chris: the law was passed because they didn't want the employers to decide. they wanted to force them to notify the workers. >> to cause that sort of disruption about something that all of us as americans trust and believe that our congress will be able to work out. >> chris: why would you believe congress is going to work out anything? >> chris, because the devastation to the economy would be so great. i often times disagree he with my counter part bob mcdonald in virginia but happen to share a region of science and security. jobs depend on our abuilt to put a greater priority on the nation's defense and a balanced budget than it does on more tax cuts for millio billionaires. >> chris: senator? >> i just have to
paul ryan voted for it, i believe. i'm confident after the election we will find a way -- >> chris: if you are so concerned about the middle class why not let the workers know they may be laid off. >> none of the employers want to send out the warren notices. why would you do that -- why would you assume -- >> chris: the law was passed because they didn't want the employers to decide. they wanted to force them to notify the workers. >> to cause that sort of disruption...
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ryan was understandable. maybe even predictable. but beyond the newsworthiness of paul ryan getting up and taking off his microphone and ending the interview and beyond the newsworthiness of the campaign going after this reporter, there was what that reporter was able to elicit from paul ryan. there's his prescription for what it takes to get out of poverty if you live in the inner city. >> the best thing to help prevent violent crime in the inner cities is to bring opportunity in the inner cities, help people get out of poverty, help teach people good discipline, good character. >> are all people who are poor only poor because they have not been taught good character? or only poor people in the inner cities who are poor because they don't have good character? they don't have good discipline, they need to be taught that. you watching at home, do you not make a lot of money? was there a time you didn't have a lot of money? is that because you have bad character? if i were the romney/ryan campaign i would probably try to trash that re
ryan was understandable. maybe even predictable. but beyond the newsworthiness of paul ryan getting up and taking off his microphone and ending the interview and beyond the newsworthiness of the campaign going after this reporter, there was what that reporter was able to elicit from paul ryan. there's his prescription for what it takes to get out of poverty if you live in the inner city. >> the best thing to help prevent violent crime in the inner cities is to bring opportunity in the...
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ryan has a plan to do something about it. what is the problem? >> the problem is, he would, in effect, turn medicare into a voucher program. the president touched on it but did not stay with it. he allowed romney to get away with it. the voucher program would cause people to take a chunk of money from the government and go out and buy their own insurance. only a limited amount of money would be available. then the costs go up, the senior citizens, who get that, have to pay the differee. the guarantee would be gone. that is the substance of how they would deal with medicare and that is the way it would be. the president did not make the case as effectively as he should of on that. >> that is factually wrong. let me just say, that is factually wrong. under the romney plan, the amount of money the government will give you is equal to the amount of the second lowest bid, meaning that you can get that plan for nothing, or the cheaper plan, there will be one cheaper, and then you can keep the extra money in your pocket. you have a choice, with no expen
ryan has a plan to do something about it. what is the problem? >> the problem is, he would, in effect, turn medicare into a voucher program. the president touched on it but did not stay with it. he allowed romney to get away with it. the voucher program would cause people to take a chunk of money from the government and go out and buy their own insurance. only a limited amount of money would be available. then the costs go up, the senior citizens, who get that, have to pay the differee....
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mak solomon, ryan, lieu and reyes. >> good evening. as commanding officer of park station i was looking forward to sharing with you the outstanding office actions of these officer. however, i will stand down for officer solomon. i would be remiss if i did not mention and acknowledge that this is the last medal of valor award ceremony that mark will attend as an active member of the standards as the police department. mark is retiring next friday after a 32-year career. at present mark solomon. [applause] >> please, it is not about me. it is about them. thank you. thank you. it is my distinct honor to stand before you and speak on behalf of these fine officers, sergeant scott ryan, a albertalbert lieu and reyes. tuesday, june 7, 2011, the fbi contacted the san francisco police department robbery abatement team providing them with specific information about two incidents that occurred in irvine, california. an armed white male suspects driving a gray bmw had committed to armed bank robberies. the suspect had already proven himself danger
mak solomon, ryan, lieu and reyes. >> good evening. as commanding officer of park station i was looking forward to sharing with you the outstanding office actions of these officer. however, i will stand down for officer solomon. i would be remiss if i did not mention and acknowledge that this is the last medal of valor award ceremony that mark will attend as an active member of the standards as the police department. mark is retiring next friday after a 32-year career. at present mark...
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what does that mean for paul ryan in his debate? just how bi can paul ryan go? >>> and big bird's most passionate defender will join us later which will give me a chance to have a mini "west wing" reunion. and a member of the science commit me who thinks science is aloif from the pit of hell. and he thinks he's a scientist. also tonight steve mor continue -- martin decided to do his political commercial, one of those guys, steve martin or bob kerrey will join me to explain why steve did that. ♪ hi dad. many years from now, when the subaru is theirs... hey. you missed a spot. ...i'll look back on this day and laugh. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. >>> coming up, mitt romney tried to play a moderate at the debate last week. this week, paul rien's going to give it a shot. he's never played that part before. ryan versus biden is next. former nebraska senator bob kerrey will talk about his race to get back into the senate and how he talked steve martin in to helping him. a republican congress man says the bible teaches us all about society. that's coming
what does that mean for paul ryan in his debate? just how bi can paul ryan go? >>> and big bird's most passionate defender will join us later which will give me a chance to have a mini "west wing" reunion. and a member of the science commit me who thinks science is aloif from the pit of hell. and he thinks he's a scientist. also tonight steve mor continue -- martin decided to do his political commercial, one of those guys, steve martin or bob kerrey will join me to explain...
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what does that mean for paul ryan in his debate? just how bi can paul ryan go? >>> and big bird's most passionate defender will join us later which will give me a chance to have a mini "west wing" reunion. and a member of the science commit me who thinks science is aloif from the pit of hell. and he thinks he's a scientist. also tonight steve mor continue -- martin decided to do his political commercial, one of those guys, steve martin or bob kerrey will join me to explain why steve did that. ♪ hi dad. many years from now, when the subaru is theirs... hey. you missed a spot. ...i'll look back on this day and laugh. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. overmany discounts to thine customers! safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you have any of those homeowners' discounts? here we go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. these are troubling times in the kingdom. more discounts than we knoweth what to do
what does that mean for paul ryan in his debate? just how bi can paul ryan go? >>> and big bird's most passionate defender will join us later which will give me a chance to have a mini "west wing" reunion. and a member of the science commit me who thinks science is aloif from the pit of hell. and he thinks he's a scientist. also tonight steve mor continue -- martin decided to do his political commercial, one of those guys, steve martin or bob kerrey will join me to explain...
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early in the evening, the nra officially endorsed the romney/ryan ticket passing out orange hats. and trace adkins warmed up the crowd, but it was still the romney debate performance that had voters energized. >> he took the debate by the get-go. this is one of the most vibrant campaign rallies since he started i think. >> a lot of people felt like they didn't really know what he was about, and i think he gave us a real clear picture. >> mitt romney naiks two more stops in virginia, tomorrow and monday. in fishersville, virginia, julie carrie, news4. >> president obama is back in washington tonight preparing for another campaign rally tomorrow morning at george mason university after what many called a lackluster debate performance last night. the president was back in front of a crowd today and wasted no time going after his rival. >> the man on stage last night, he does not want to be held accountable for the real mitt romney's decisions and what he's been saying for the last year. >> just want to make sure i got this state. he'll get rid of regulations on wall street but he'll
early in the evening, the nra officially endorsed the romney/ryan ticket passing out orange hats. and trace adkins warmed up the crowd, but it was still the romney debate performance that had voters energized. >> he took the debate by the get-go. this is one of the most vibrant campaign rallies since he started i think. >> a lot of people felt like they didn't really know what he was about, and i think he gave us a real clear picture. >> mitt romney naiks two more stops in...
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ryan has got to respond. ryan is a detail person. i think if biden charges very specifically and effectively what the lies are, that both romney and ryan have been telling, based upon ryan's previous record it's going to be very difficult for ryan. that's exactly what joe biden ought to be doing. >> indeed he should. steve kornacki, professor robert reich, thank you both, gentlemen. >>> next, grab a pen. we have the latest lessons in science and history from the gop. stay with us. >> we all like pbs. i mean, i have grand kids, they love big bird and burt ander ni and so forth, but we borrow money effectively from china to make sure our kids don't have to watch advertising on pbs. my view is it makes sense to stop borrowing many and let our kids get used to corn flakes. >> sesame street was brought today by the letter "g" for grouch. the capital one cash rewards card gives you a 50% annual bonus. and everyone likes 50% more [ russian accent ] rubles. eh, eheh, eh, eh. [ brooklyn accent ] 50% more simoleons. [ western accent ] 50% more
ryan has got to respond. ryan is a detail person. i think if biden charges very specifically and effectively what the lies are, that both romney and ryan have been telling, based upon ryan's previous record it's going to be very difficult for ryan. that's exactly what joe biden ought to be doing. >> indeed he should. steve kornacki, professor robert reich, thank you both, gentlemen. >>> next, grab a pen. we have the latest lessons in science and history from the gop. stay with...
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and you know yes, but ryan has to do is do the unexpected. stage was set today, if i was ryan, i would go after biden, the great foreign policy expert on libya, where the president was. liz: where of th the -- where s the president. >> in las vegas raising money the day after. and the other thing, we had this kannard sold about the tape, we know it was a false -- a fake narrative. if i were ryan, the person i would hurt is biden, i want to see biden try to defend the fact -- when i worked for carter, and hostages were taken we went up, we needed him to go campaign and president said to us, said to me, no, i have to stay here, i can't do on the road what i can do here, this is my job. liz: that was jimmy carter. >> jimmy carter, i fell ashamed, someone should ask what the heck these people are doing. pat thank you. next up fox, neil will be live in kentucky thursday night for vice presidential debate, this will start 8:00 p.m. eastern time. right here on fox business. >> president obama in california, raising big bucks. while california driver
and you know yes, but ryan has to do is do the unexpected. stage was set today, if i was ryan, i would go after biden, the great foreign policy expert on libya, where the president was. liz: where of th the -- where s the president. >> in las vegas raising money the day after. and the other thing, we had this kannard sold about the tape, we know it was a false -- a fake narrative. if i were ryan, the person i would hurt is biden, i want to see biden try to defend the fact -- when i worked...
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i mean, whatever biden says and i know he's coming after ryan's budget, ryan will be able to respond. i'm saying the young ryan will make a hell of a contrast with biden. >> he is. the risk for the obama campaign is there's so much pressure to make up for last wednesday night that joe biden comes off too aggressive and overreaches and as a result of that, they dig further -- he they dig a further hole. >> i don't think there's a possibility that joe biden is too aggressive. he's an aggressive guy. >> he's a really aggressive guy. >> they're supposed to be aggressive. >> when you're too aggressive, you say things that come back to haunt you. >> no. the problem that biden gets into is when he talks to his own supporters. he gets too excited talking to his own supporters and fans. i doesn't get in that problem with debates. when i worked on the michael do you dukakis debate. the age difference won't make a difference. >> it's going to be an unbelievable contrast. >> it won't make a difference in ryan's favor but in biden's favor. >> i don't think so. >> it will show how little experience
i mean, whatever biden says and i know he's coming after ryan's budget, ryan will be able to respond. i'm saying the young ryan will make a hell of a contrast with biden. >> he is. the risk for the obama campaign is there's so much pressure to make up for last wednesday night that joe biden comes off too aggressive and overreaches and as a result of that, they dig further -- he they dig a further hole. >> i don't think there's a possibility that joe biden is too aggressive. he's an...
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what does that mean for paul ryan in his debate? just how bi can paul ryan go? >>> and big bird's most passionate defender will join us later which will give me a chance to have a mini "west wing" reunion. and a member of the science commit me who thinks science is alive from the pit of hell. and he thinks he's a scientist. also tonight steve mor continue -- martin decided to do his political commercial, one of those guys, steve martin or bob kerrey will join me to explain why steve did that. everyone in the nicu, all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days. everything that you thought was important to you changes in light of having a child that needs you every moment. i wouldn't trade him for the world. who matters most to you says the most about you. massmutual is owned by our policyholders so they matter most to us. if you're caring for a child with special needs, our innovative special care program offers strategies that can help. >>> coming up, mitt romney tried to play a moderate at the debate last week. this week, paul ryan's going to gi
what does that mean for paul ryan in his debate? just how bi can paul ryan go? >>> and big bird's most passionate defender will join us later which will give me a chance to have a mini "west wing" reunion. and a member of the science commit me who thinks science is alive from the pit of hell. and he thinks he's a scientist. also tonight steve mor continue -- martin decided to do his political commercial, one of those guys, steve martin or bob kerrey will join me to explain...
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romney and ryan will only be in office for eight of those. let president bachmann worry about it in 2020. that is what hindsight is for. but folks, just listen to this pit bull. >> how much would it cost. >> it's revenue neutral. >> i'm talking about the cut, we'll get to the deductions. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rate by 20%. >> how much does that cost. >> it's revenue neutral. >> stephen: okay, revenue neutral, chris. but for some reason wallace wouldn't take no answer for an answer. (laughter) jim? >> well, it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deduction. >> let me just -- >> you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have-- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> stephen: great answer. (laughter) why-- (cheers and applause) great answer why is it a great answer? well, it would take me too long to explain but trust me t was a great answer. (laughter) besides the american people don't want to hear math. that's why ryan seacrest's top 40 countdown didn't catch on until they added so
romney and ryan will only be in office for eight of those. let president bachmann worry about it in 2020. that is what hindsight is for. but folks, just listen to this pit bull. >> how much would it cost. >> it's revenue neutral. >> i'm talking about the cut, we'll get to the deductions. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rate by 20%. >> how much does that cost. >> it's revenue neutral. >> stephen: okay, revenue neutral, chris. but for...
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we got in touch with ryan. he denied our request for an interview saying i really don't it want to be interviewed, all of this stuff is crazy. zach is a two-time winner of this race. he joins us via skype. explain what it takes to go 40 miles an hour down a hill on a skateboard. >> really, it just takes knowing your skills and you have the confidence to let it run every time. >> how many things can go wrong when you're flying down a hill on a long board? >> there's a thousand ways to crash a car. there's a thousand ways to crash a skateboard. timing was poor. he hit it and took it down. >> did you see anything happen? did you hear about it? did it make you think twice? >> we heard about it over the aid y radio at the top. >> did you see the video and your reaction to it? >> i've seen crazy stuff go down on skateboards from the first person view quite often, but that was a good one. >> i really feel sorry for this deer. he hits and rolls and his hooves go up in the air. >> well, thanks for asking about ryan's co
we got in touch with ryan. he denied our request for an interview saying i really don't it want to be interviewed, all of this stuff is crazy. zach is a two-time winner of this race. he joins us via skype. explain what it takes to go 40 miles an hour down a hill on a skateboard. >> really, it just takes knowing your skills and you have the confidence to let it run every time. >> how many things can go wrong when you're flying down a hill on a long board? >> there's a thousand...
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joe biden or paul ryan? go to facebook.com/newsnation to cast your vote. >>> and let's take a look at the news nation saying after yesterday's gut check. does the bird ad remind you of the president's weak debate issue or bring up romney budget cuts? 11% of you said obama's debate performance. 89% say, hey, big bird reminds you of romney budget cuts. tomorrow i'll be anchoring live from kentucky for the big vice presidential debate. some of my guests, oh, chris matthews. wow. big book there. former rnc chair steele and robinson. and salon.com's erin carmon. "the cycle" is up next. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire [ male announcer ] use any citi card to get the benefits of private pass. more concerts, more events, more experiences. [ jack ] hey, who's boring now? [ male announcer ] get more access with the citi card. [ crowd cheerin
joe biden or paul ryan? go to facebook.com/newsnation to cast your vote. >>> and let's take a look at the news nation saying after yesterday's gut check. does the bird ad remind you of the president's weak debate issue or bring up romney budget cuts? 11% of you said obama's debate performance. 89% say, hey, big bird reminds you of romney budget cuts. tomorrow i'll be anchoring live from kentucky for the big vice presidential debate. some of my guests, oh, chris matthews. wow. big book...
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paul ryan championshiped on capitol hill. it was privatization of social security. >> i remember the bill. >> if joe biden can't ram that down his throat, that people put their social security money in the stock market and lost at least some of it in -- >> something george bush rejected as an idea. i'm afraid we have to end. thank you. >>> next, the war on children, starring the mother of five. stay with us. >> i can't -- mean, like lied about what? this is something he's been saying all along. this is what he believes. this is his policy. >> i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. >> the current rate less 20% so the top rate would go from 35 to 28. >> i can't -- i mean, like lied about what? very sore looking kinda blistery. it was like a red rash... like somebody had set a bag of hot charcoal on my neck. i was a firefighter for 24 years. but, i have never encountered such a burning sensation until i had the shingles. i remember it well. i was in the back yard doing yard work. i had this irritation going on in my lower neck. i c
paul ryan championshiped on capitol hill. it was privatization of social security. >> i remember the bill. >> if joe biden can't ram that down his throat, that people put their social security money in the stock market and lost at least some of it in -- >> something george bush rejected as an idea. i'm afraid we have to end. thank you. >>> next, the war on children, starring the mother of five. stay with us. >> i can't -- mean, like lied about what? this is...
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ryan. he's got to face joe biden next week. with all of the things that the new minted mitt romney said last night, joe biden who is a very feisty debater brings to ryan. doesn't ryan have a problem in the debate next week agreeing with some of the things that the new mitt romney came with last night? >> well, you know, we all yearn for good presidentivice preside debate, but the truth is they really don't matter. if the quaylquayle-benson didn' matter, this won won't. >> we don't know if they don't matter. >> sarah palin, people watched it the way you watch a nascar race with a fascination that there may be an accident or a wreck. but with the debate coming up, there is this tension on the ticket, republican ticket, between paul ryan who campaigns and gave the speech remember at the convention, there was archly ideological about creating a new world that the president has described at darwinian and pessimistic and dark. and he gives joe biden a lot of lines of attack on the ryan budget, the medicare plan and all those things.
ryan. he's got to face joe biden next week. with all of the things that the new minted mitt romney said last night, joe biden who is a very feisty debater brings to ryan. doesn't ryan have a problem in the debate next week agreeing with some of the things that the new mitt romney came with last night? >> well, you know, we all yearn for good presidentivice preside debate, but the truth is they really don't matter. if the quaylquayle-benson didn' matter, this won won't. >> we don't...
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ryan zerlina is right. you cannot depend upon that. how does the president need to do that,e vince this power and passion and sense of purpose that so clearly was missing. >> i think people want to see that he wants the job. that he wants to fight for them. if you look at it this way if somebody is looking at somebody who won't even stand up for themselves, then what are the chances they're thinking that this person is going to stand up for me? when you're watching obama in this debate you can finally see why it is that he was getting rolled day in and day out by the republicans on capitol hill. you can say hey man that is a guy i would like to be negotiating with. >> eliot: i'm going to interrupt for a reason. you said something critically important. and zerlina i want you to respond to this the performance he gave us have fit the image that republicans have been trying to create, weak, vas lating not able to speak on his feet. that's why it was so treacherous. it wasn't that he just had an off-night, but that it metastasized against
ryan zerlina is right. you cannot depend upon that. how does the president need to do that,e vince this power and passion and sense of purpose that so clearly was missing. >> i think people want to see that he wants the job. that he wants to fight for them. if you look at it this way if somebody is looking at somebody who won't even stand up for themselves, then what are the chances they're thinking that this person is going to stand up for me? when you're watching obama in this debate...
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paul ryan understands numbers. biden will know the numbers. paul ryan understands them. no comparison when you put people together that know a topic. one knows it and one understands it. ryan will teach him about the budget and the economy come thursday night. >> andrea: he should know the numbers. he has been in office longer than we have been alive. he has an advantage, because he knows the numbers and forced to defend the plan to his party. like romney he gets out there without the filter of the media and he can explain them to seniors. >> dana: he did well in debate in the democratic primary in 2008. skilled politician. rarely held accountable for anything he says, which i can't explain. but think about ryan for a second. this guy won re-election seven times in ra moderate district in wisconsin. a good retail politician. he has be very good on the stump. doesn't get a lot of coverage. but thursday night when i get my milk duds and popcorn ready, a great night. fun no matter what. >> andrea: do you think the bar is higher or lower? people go crazy uncle joe. but the p
paul ryan understands numbers. biden will know the numbers. paul ryan understands them. no comparison when you put people together that know a topic. one knows it and one understands it. ryan will teach him about the budget and the economy come thursday night. >> andrea: he should know the numbers. he has been in office longer than we have been alive. he has an advantage, because he knows the numbers and forced to defend the plan to his party. like romney he gets out there without the...
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the answer was biden, 35%, ryan, 55%. many many ways this mirrors what happened to the presidential debate? everyone thought president obama would win, so there's great expectations here for ryan. how much of a microscope do you think there will be on him? >> i'm not so sure about that. i mean, i don't dispute your polling there, but i think most people understand that joe bayeden has been debating for a long time. i mean, since the early 1900s. he has been debating. >> he knows his stuff. >> right. i think what you see, though, in some of that polling is that some of the, you know, joe biden as of late put his foot in his mouth a few times in very public ways. he said that the middle class was crushed under, you know, the policies of obama and biden, and he said some things that were problematic. s however, paul is a smart guy. he has committed his life to understanding the problems of our economy, presenting a plan for the american people, so i think that paul is going to do -- going to do a great job, but i also think
the answer was biden, 35%, ryan, 55%. many many ways this mirrors what happened to the presidential debate? everyone thought president obama would win, so there's great expectations here for ryan. how much of a microscope do you think there will be on him? >> i'm not so sure about that. i mean, i don't dispute your polling there, but i think most people understand that joe bayeden has been debating for a long time. i mean, since the early 1900s. he has been debating. >> he knows his...
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i've got news for congressman ryan. america is neither in decline and it's never been a good bet to bet against the american people. they have never let this country down. >> all right, joe biden seems to know exactly how to use that 47% comment to the greatest effect. >> big ups to joe biden for rocking the polo shirt. i can't think of the last time someone on a ticket has made such a bold choice. look at the contrast here between joe biden who's setting the issues on the table and paul ryan who frankly doesn't look very gracious when you're asked about missteps on the ticket, if you want to do anything, and i think this is communications and politics 101, if you want to do anything talk about your own missteps. you're the number 2 guy. you're not there to remind people about how your boss made a big error that wasn't just style but was also substance. >> paul ryan was also asked why the romney/ryan team is trailing in the polls. let's listen to his response to that. >> it kind of goes without saying that there is defi
i've got news for congressman ryan. america is neither in decline and it's never been a good bet to bet against the american people. they have never let this country down. >> all right, joe biden seems to know exactly how to use that 47% comment to the greatest effect. >> big ups to joe biden for rocking the polo shirt. i can't think of the last time someone on a ticket has made such a bold choice. look at the contrast here between joe biden who's setting the issues on the table and...
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romney unlocked paul ryan to a certain extent and now he can leverage him if ryan can get the space to talk about it in the debate. >> paul: mary. >> i think what you can expect from paul ryan, he will repeat over and over again, the 716 billion dollars in medicare cuts that obama is putting on people who are right now relying on medicare. and he will show, he will try to show that his plan will actually save medicare while obama will destroy it. i think that's his greatest edge and that's where he's going to go. >> paul: he's got a delicate task because i think he has to defend, jason, i think he has to defend romney against what will be biden's task even as he turns around and tries to go after the president's agenda while showing his own competence on substance, on these issues, that's a more complicated taste and biden is basically going to be all in assaulting romney. >> and i think that biden is going to want to talk foreign policy and i think the polls have shown that the president's doing good on that, not as well as he was, that gap has narrowed with the events in the middle e
romney unlocked paul ryan to a certain extent and now he can leverage him if ryan can get the space to talk about it in the debate. >> paul: mary. >> i think what you can expect from paul ryan, he will repeat over and over again, the 716 billion dollars in medicare cuts that obama is putting on people who are right now relying on medicare. and he will show, he will try to show that his plan will actually save medicare while obama will destroy it. i think that's his greatest edge and...